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Ha Ha Ha!!!
Busted deal. And if they even try to resurrect it, the league will block the Stackhouse "deal".
And Cuban is running around saying he won't do a deal unless it is a bargain????
Say WHAT????? Here's hoping the Mavs totally miss the postseason, ha ha ha.
Snow Hound |
February 16, 2008 at 03:36 AM
JK would bea good move just for the short term but what you give up for him just isn't worth it. You lose a guy who will become a top 5 point guard for years to come, you lose instant offense off the bench now with Stack since he wouldnt be able to come back after the nba says no, you lose a valuable backup who spells Damp, Ager wont break this lineup much if any. The 2 first round picks you give up could who knows get you another guy like Josh Howard towards the bottom of the 1st round.
Devean George has every right to refuse this and shouldnt change his mind. He stands to lose millions and from a business standpoint I wouldnt do it either.
I dont think they could win a title after the trade because they would lose too much depth off the bench to overcome the long run to the playoffs.
Kyle C |
February 16, 2008 at 10:34 AM
A trade for Kidd would cripple the Mavs future without a guarantee of a championship.
Remember that Kidd has two NBA superstars (Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson) and the Nets are 7 games below .500 in the dismal East!
The Mavs have a top 3 record in the West when Devin Harris was playing and with the Heat as a reminder, the most talented team does not always win the championship in the NBA.
Mark Cuban blew up the Mavs many times before with no Championship. Don't let him do it again.
February 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Sure, Jason Kidd would be good for the Mavs. He would be an upgrade offensively over Devin Harris and would absolutely make it a lot easier for Nowitzki, Howard and Terry to get quality shots.
But aside from that, I don't think this trade would bring the Mavs any closer to winning a title than if they don't do anything. They are sacrificing too much depth, especially in the frontcourt in losing Diop, and the loss of Harris's quickness and excellent on-the-ball defense will show against teams like the Spurs and Suns in the playoffs. Plus, the two draft picks on top of everything else just makes it ridiculous, in my opinion.
As far as I'm concerned, George should stand firm and do his best to keep this from happening, because I'm confident that when completely healthy, the Mavs already have what it takes.
February 16, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I agree with just about everyone on here. Giving up all these players for one aging point guard who MAY have a couple of years left, who "guarantees" absolutely NOTHING as to the championship is NOT worth it to me. Devin Harris has improved and grown every year he's been with the Mavs. This is his first full year starting at point and he's been outstanding. Look at how many games the Mavs lost when Devin wasn't in the lineup. How much more proof do you need as to his value to this team? And now with the comments that Stack has made if you go through the trade as is you risk losing Stack for good also. Also, who is going to back up Damp if the Mavs get rid of Diop? He has significantly improved this year too. He is also in the top 10 in blocked shots this year. How would the Mavs get over that loss? It used to be that the center position was a big weakness on the Mavs...now we have a 2 good centers and the Mavs want to trade one! That doesn't make any sense to me. Everything I read in the media makes it looks like all Mavericks fans want this trade as much as Cuban does, but from what I've read I don't think that's the case. I'm certainly hoping that this trade doesn't go through. And if that takes Devean George blocking it or Stack speaking up when he shouldn't have, so be it. Unlike Cuban, I mean it when I say I really do "like our team."
February 16, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Would Jason Kidd be good for the Mavs?
-At the expense of Devin Harris? No. Harris' quickness and spontaneity (not to mention his top notch defense) are what drives this Maverick offense that stagnates way too much with isolation plays.
Should Devean George change his mind?
-Of course not. Why should he? It's his decision, and he's made it. It's all about business, and that's all this is. George should be applauded for standing up for himself in league that many times favors owners in player movement.
Can the Mavericks win a title after making this trade? No. Even if their current construction isn't inspiring anyone to think of them to championship contenders, who cares? Didn't they go into this regular season with a diminished focus on the regular season? What happened to that? They can compete the same way they did last year, and they will. Unless this idiot trade somehow comes through and I give myself brain damage from banging my head into the wall.
Captain Midnight |
February 16, 2008 at 07:29 PM
I still think this was a very one-sided trade that favored the Nets, but as this has gone on and been delayed, you have to go through with it. Can you imagine being Devin Harris coming back and playing for the Mavs, after the fact that his teammates were in favor of brining in Kidd. That has got to be devastating.
The point guard was not our weakness (maybe we needed some depth, but not a new starter). Couldn't they see that as soon as Devin Harris was out, we started slumping. Obviously, Harris is not our weakness here. We needed more big men in the middle (why can't we try and get Minnesota's Al Jefferson). I don't know how this trade goes through now, knowing that Stackhouse may not be able to return, and of course George seems set on staying put. What a mess.
February 16, 2008 at 08:12 PM
The Mav`s are a joke tradeing half the team for a 35 year old.CUBAN AND JOHNSON ARE FOOLS
February 17, 2008 at 12:20 AM
The old Jerry Seinfeld joke always comes to mind when talking about "our" teams: We root for laundry. No matter who is in the uniform. Players are traded for various different reasons. It is amplified in the NBA as opposed to other professional sports for a simple reason: there are less players on the team.
In a salary cap world, such as the NBA and NFL, goals of "building for the future" is CRAP. You rebuild, retool, trade, re-philosophize, etc. to win NOW. You have no guarantees of anything from year to year.
Most people it seems either have not lived here long enough or haven't been Mavs fans long enough to see the inherent problems of a truly flawed franchise. In its 28th season, its seen this type of karma time and time again. Roy Tarpley, anyone?
Stop falling in love with your roster so much. Realize that the the CORE of this team will still be here. (Dirk, JET, Damp, and Stack - if he shuts up) Pieces have to be changed to make a change, or you will see the same first round exit as last year. There are only 5 players on the court last time I checked, and we can't keep em all if the Mavs are to improve. Their window is closing. If they don't grab the ring now, it may be another 10 years before doing so again. Somehow I doubt your beloved Dirk and Devin Harris will be around to help then.
February 17, 2008 at 01:47 AM
NEVER!!! Thought I would say this as an All-time Spurs Fan, but I actually feel bad for the Mavericks fans. This whole situation is a mess no matter how it is resolved.
If I'm Devin Harris, and the deal does not go through I want to be traded this summer. The Mavs organization decided to play "Fantasy League", but didn't bother to read the Rule book past page 3.
This would never happen in the Spurs organization. Where was the Due Diligence on behalf of the organization. Once again, I am truly sorry or you, Mav's Fan
February 17, 2008 at 03:51 AM
Everyone wants to make this out to be a "win now" solution by trading for Kidd. It is not that. Being in love with specific players or liking the current construction of the team has nothing to do with it. It's all basketball.
Although we may be "rooting for laundry," that fact is that the laundry becomes less likely to be hoisting up a trophy if this moronic deal goes down. Some of you may have been watching since the Tarpley and Aguirre days, but some of us have also been watching the Mavs play every game this season. The things that Devin brings to the Mavs are invaluable, but because he hasn't been in the league for almost 15 years (like Kidd) everyone wants to make Kidd out to be better and more of a "win now" solution. It's all bull, and if you've watched the Mavs all season, you know that to be true.
Captain Midnight |
February 17, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Kidd would be fantastic for the Mavs. The fact that Nelson and Johnson have let the deal get this far tells me one thing: Their faith in Devin Harris is waining. Is Devon faster? Yes. Is Devon a better defender? Yes. If it ends there, then why do this deal? That is what you are all asking, well the reason I do this deal is because Devin is not a leader. Period. This organization needs a leader, and Dirk/J Ho have proven they aren't interested.
Does this mean we have a better shot to win a championship? Probably not, but if we don't, Donnie and Avery want it to be because we are slow and old, not because we have someone running the machine that can't make pressure decisions or get the ball to our MVP.
February 17, 2008 at 05:11 PM
I like Devin Harris. He'd make a great point guard on a championship team... as a backup. Face it, the kid isn't ready, and from what we've seen chances are he never will be, that is, in a true leadership role. You have to know where to go with the ball and how to get it there. You either got it or you don't, and all the athleticism won't help. J. Kidd's got it, on a higher level than ANY player in the game today. His only drawback is his wheels have about three years max on them. Why not give Dirk his shot now?
February 17, 2008 at 06:22 PM
NO NO NO - Not a good deal if they give up Harris. They will give up the future for an aging point guard who can't shoot very good. Would be very stupid deal and would backfire on Mavs.
David Stone |
February 17, 2008 at 06:38 PM
I was against the trade at first, but not so much anymore. How much worse off can we be? This team won't make it past the 2nd round in the playoffs as presently constructed, if that. They have reverted back to a jump shooting team that is either hot or ice cold. J.K. will soften the defense a little for some inside looks. He is not being brought here to score, thank god! We are no worse off. I was the one of the one's saying we should pull the trigger to bring Kobe to Dallas last year. Would anyone like a redo on that?
R Walton |
February 17, 2008 at 08:03 PM
I think this deal is just like the Gasol deal...a steal. Dallas may of traded alot of players and draft picks for kidd, but its worth it! I also think shaq can and will be the future Shawn Marion...only if Shaq puts his mind into doing what he says that is, we will just have to wait and see! Go Nuggets!!
Bo Smokoska |
February 18, 2008 at 01:21 AM
If Harris could ever stay healthy this trade does not happen. But he can't. I just hope we can send George somewhere for a big man. And for those who knock J Kidd's shooting, look a little closer at the stats. The only thing that is better is from the field(not 3-point or free throws)and that is because of layups. If Kidd is so bad at D why does he have more steals than Harris?
February 18, 2008 at 03:15 PM
I hate this trade for Dallas. A 35 yr old PG for a quicksilver 24 yr old PG, the shot-blocking backup center, plus Ager, draft picks and cash? Cuban must be really desperate\insane. Has anyone noticed how badly Dallas has played since Harris got hurt? Who is going to guard Parker, Barbosa or Paul? Not Grampa Kidd. Damp gets 2 fouls just lacing up his sneakers - Who is going to back him up when he gets into foul trouble? Dallas who has stressed D the last few seasons is going to get scorched on the defensive end. Kidd will help the offense for sure, but can't keep up with the young whipper-snapper PG's in the West, and Damp can't contend with Shaq and Gasol on his own. This is going to be a disaster for Dallas.
February 18, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Hello voice of reason, how are you today?
Captain Midnight |
February 18, 2008 at 06:28 PM
i dont know why mavs are wasting time trying to get an old kidd. they need to try to be getting dwihgt howard, chris paul and lebron. they should trade way george, terry, eddie joens and dampeir for them. then they would be a good team.
manny rivas |
February 18, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Now, now, Captain. It's not nice to call him the "Voice of Reason". He would share that title with Dale Hansen, and that's an insult ... an insult to CubanIsHigh.
February 19, 2008 at 01:50 AM
It's a good deal considering what the Mavs haven't accomplished over the years in the playoffs especially after last season.
Kidd brings tenacity, mental toughness and leadership which is what the Mavs have lacked in the playoffs. Everyone and their mother know that the Mavs are soft.
Maybe, this will rejuvenate them and they will start to show some toughness and attitude. Avery was probably the toughess person on their bench. Don't forget that the Mavs also received two young players in Malik Allen and Antoine Wright who was a standout player at Texas A & M........
February 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Why can't we find a Chris Paul? Oh, we can't draft worth a darn. Look at our past draft picks. We just released our 2007 pick for nothing. Fire Nelly's kid and get a real GM. If this were the Cowboys draft Jerry would fire himself.
Mavs will maybe win in the first round but after that, the next few years will be Mavs of old. Cuban can go to Hollywood or Chicago. What an idiot. It shows you that money only makes the fool.
February 20, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Do you think things through before you blurt out your stupid, uninformed, babble?
One thing, Devin Harris was drafted before our 2007 draft (that was actually Fazekas), in 2006 (it was Moe Ager), and in 2005 (Devin Harris).
Also, Chris Paul was a lottery pick a few years ago (3rd overall) and the Mavs have been nowhere close to being in the lottery with their winning seasons past 5 years. Plus, guards like Paul don't grow on trees and usually go fast, so until the Mavs throw a season, OR trade for one (like they just did), you're dreaming on getting an elite guard drafted here.
Dude, you just got OWNED!
February 21, 2008 at 06:28 AM
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